Hello all,
Im writing because I'm at a loss and I hit my frustration point. Not with my child but the instutue we put our faith (and entire savings account) into and have found no results. My 6 year old daughter is severe ADHD and we have tried EVERYTHING under the sun to try and get her better. During my research, I stumbled upon the Drake Institute and it sounded like the next best thing since sliced bread! They told me that her ADHD could be cured and she was the perfect candidate because of her age and she had only been on medication for 4 months prior to the start of her treatment there. Well almost ,000 later, I am seeing extemely little to no results. I sometimes wonder if the little results are from the meds. or us really focusing on keeping her in line and out of trouble at home. When I question things at the Drake Ins. they seem to give me the total run around. They also have "NFT" (Neuro feedback Techs.) administering her sessions. These "NFT's" look like a bunch of teenage kids running around with white doctor jackets and beat up tennis shoes. Has ANYONE out there seen results if they have used the DRAKE?? My second question is does anyone know if it is an actual neuro pshych. that should be monitoring her neuro therapy sessions? I have a meeting with the head doctor today to discuss my extreme unsatisfaction. I feel we have been completely scammed and Madi has not been recieving the care she deserves.
Well we are on session 30 and have seen 0 results. We were concerned that we invested so much money and my daughter was actually getting worse. Talking to other neuro feedback providers, they said it should have worked by session 6 or 7. We had a meeting with the head doctor. I must admit, he is very passionate about his work, so dedicated that he is not willing to give up on her. He reviewed her brain mapping and EEG with other doctors and now have her on a different protocol. He said if it takes another 30 sessions, he will do it to make her better! and thats for FREE! Ten thousand dollars and no results, Im glad he was willing to work with us. They could of just kicked us out the door and said o'well. I will keep you posted of any new results. WE lso looked into the drake and when i asked my pdoc who has sent several patients there with 0 results, we decided it was not for us. dorry about your experience there or lack there of. good luckThanks for responding. It is amazing that I have not heard any positive feedback about this institute other than the stories they write on their web page. For all we know, they could have very well made those stories up!! I have spoken with two additional Dr. who have also informed me that they have had patients or know of patients who have tried the DRAKE and had 0 results and were left at square one after all their treatments. What breaks my heart is the families that are out there that cannot afford the -K by any means but are willing to do what ever it takes to make their child better. To me that is what makes this whole thing unethical. They know parents will do WHAT EVER it takes to make life easier for their children and they will spare no expense when they are in a time of desperation. When they tell you that your child will be cured or they will no longer need medication or the chaos in your home as a result of the ADHD could come to the end, a parent would refinance their home or deplete their savings (as we did) to make it happen. I would never trade in my daughter for one second, she is the best thing that has happen to my life. In my eyes, she is the best kid in the world, but until you live with a severe ADHD child, nobody understands how difficult and chaotic life is. And leave it to the DRAKE to CAPITALIZE on this desperation. We are still optimistic and we are not giving up until Madi gets better or life becomes easier for her. We have now turned to a homeopathic Dr. and are hoping for the best. What forum did you discuss the DRAKE Institute??
Any organization that claims that their product or program is a cure for ADHD is a scam. Such advertising is a serious red flag. Thanks everyone for posting and educating those that come to this message board looking for real help and accurate informationHi
I totally agree with you. I also had a very frustrating experience with them and lost about 00.00. I was so disappointed with them for cashing in on people's desperation. I only wish I had researched more before paying them... I have also posted here about my experience in one of the threads...
MM
Word of caution for every kind of place you would spend your money. If it sounds too good to be true: it is.
For anyone out there considering the DRAKE INSTITUTE.....DO NOT DO IT!! I beg you, it is a scam and a waste of money. A lot of insurance companies are covering Neuro feedback but NONE of them will accept the Drake. The Drake has it down to a science. They do not allow you to pay session to session (because they know how unsuccessful they are), which forces you to give them anywhere from ,000-,000 up front, depending on the plan you pick. When it doesn't work and you begin to question it, they then suggest that your child has a learning disability and want another 700 bucks to have them tested. I knew my daughter DID NOT have a learning disability but the way they guilt you into testing and say things as "don't you want whats best for her....the neoro feedback will not work if there is an underlining disability." After her being tested it came back with no signs of any disability and in fact she scored higher than high average on their chart for intellegence. They then insisted that I take a second test with a brain doctor, to make sure it wasn't a neuro problem. They were kind enough to give that to me at 1/2 price of 350 dollars!! Again, that doctor said she has no problems. After continuing through more of the feedback sessions and seeing no results, I continued to question. Now there answer is maybe it is emotional because after all her father did die when she was a little girl. They told me to use a therapist that specialized in play therapy which was another 15 miles past their office. Our commute was already 1 hour/1 way to their office. To prove her ADHD was not emotional I began sessions with this therapist and still my daughter issues are exactly the same as when we entered their facility 4-5 months ago. After our meeting with the head doctor, he never spoke to me again. Didn't want anything to do with me. In fact, during one of my meetings with our assigned counsler, I was confronted on posting the above emails on this website. She said they found out I was on the web voicing my concerns about the Drake Instiute and told me the only one I would be hurting was my daughter!! She said that I sounded frustrated on my blogs and your daughter can feel those feelings without you even saying anything. That is why I haven't written in a while because I did not want to be approached or my daughter mistreated (parents are not allowed in the sessions with the children)while she was at the DRAKE. I am Madi's #1 fan and I fight right beside her while she deals with this illness. When it comes to my daughter's well being, I will ask questions and I do expect answers and if they were a legitamate business then they would have no problem with me asking questions over the web. I finally started speaking with parents in the office and they too were very unhappy but felt at a loss because they already gave DRAKE their money. Working for the County of Los Angeles, I have contacts with many and have discovered others that have attended the DRAKE and have recieved NO results. It is almost comical when we all talk because we all have the same story with being guilted into paying for additional testing to rule out other disablities. In the end, the doctor would not speak with me and the counsler told me "Sorry" She had no suggestions for me on what to do next going into our meeting. When I asked her about other places or treatments she told me that they were the "Nordstrom" of neuro feedback. Well Nordstrom would have given me some of my $$ back seeing that I followed all their rules and was extremely unsatisfied with their product. The doctor refused to compinsate me even a dollar so I could seek help somewhere else. My mission is to not let other families go through the disappointment, heart ache, and financial devistation as our family did. I beg you to pass this info along and know it is just not our family they have hurt. If you do decide to go, PLEASE force them to give you names of success stories and ask to speak with them. I would go as far as meeting the "success" children and see how they are now, that's if in fact they really exist...And if the DRAKE is monitoring this, since I know you do based on me being confronted about it, shame on you for not allowing us parents who live with this every waking moment of our lives to come to a place to vent and seek out help or opinions on how to make our children's lives easier. This blog is from my personal experience with the DRAKE and the other parents I have come in contact with while at the DRAKE or work.
[QUOTE=MetisRebel]I rarely get piffed on here luv, but I gotta tell ya, when I see some freakin' scamster pulling a stunt like that well.......
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH
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I agree Metis because these scam artists are preying on vulnerable parents and playing games with the lives of our precious children in order to make a buck Your anger is more than justified and its reassuring to know that we have members like yourself who come here to help parent avoid making a wrong turn or a wrong choice because there are scam artists in this world who view parents who are searching for answers as potential cash cows
Thanks for your input. It is truly valued and needed.
For anyone out there considering the DRAKE INSTITUTE.....DO NOT DO IT!! I beg you, it is a scam and a waste of money.
[QUOTE=MetisRebel]I was typing the big post above luv, when you posted [/QUOTE]
My two bits: A little over a year ago, shortly after my 46th birthday, I went to the Drake Institute as a newly diagnosed ADDult knowing little about my new diagnosis but desparate to find something that would "treat" it so I could better focus at work and at home.
But the Drake Inst. doctor is a complete QUACK.
At my first appointment (I was foolish and stopped going after 2nd appt. - should have walked out at visit #1) he said he could "treat" me for ",000...(pause while he eyed my wardrobe from tie to toes)...,000."
How's that for a diagnosis? Twelve grand to play video games! I was creeped out. If someone has engaged an attorney for representation in a class action suit I will gladly participate. The Drake Institute's doors need to be closed for good.
Incidentally, just the other day, while my son was watching Cartoon Network, I saw a commercial for a new video game that looked just like video "treatment" offered by Drake. Kids could attach sensors and steer the car on the racecourse just using their thoughts!
If there is anyone still considering the Drake Institute, they could buy this video game for probably a few hundred dollars or less and get the exact same "treatment" offered by the Drake scamster - less, of course, the doctor's "expert" opinion.
p.s. to all the heartbroken parents who wasted $ and hope on Drake Institute (and to any other frustrated ADDers):
I'm reading one of DR. DANIEL AMEN's books about brain health, including ADD treatment ("Magnicent Mind at Any Age"). Unlike Dr. Wacko at Drake, Dr. Amen's a doctor who knows his stuff. He lays out treatment approaches for anxiety, depression, memory problems, ADD and insomnia (I've got them all so it's a wonderful book!)
Strenuous aerobic exercise is at the top of his list. Just wanted to put that out there. As I've been learning about ADD/ADHD it's become very clear that over the past 4 decades my behavior problems (fighting and drug use in school, boneheaded legal problems, getting fired from good jobs, relationship breakdowns) correlate directly to periods when I was NOT exercising regularly. For years and years I ran, played soccer, swam on swim teams. Injuries and lack of discipline created gaps, and every time that's when things went downhill.
So Moms and Dads, I implore you to get to the library and check out Dr. Amen's books, and help your kid find some type of strenuous exercise he/she likes doing. It'll be the best ADHD/ADD treatment you'll ever find.
p.p.s. - please ignore my original post here about Dr. Valkoff being a q-u-a-c-k. Didn't mean to say that; just my emotions getting the better of me, which happens a lot when your brain isn't working right.
I am looking at using Neurofeedback for my 8 yo twin DS's. Is this the same as the Drake Institute?
Hello All,
I was so happy someone else is frustrated with the Drake and understood the point I was trying to make. I am so passionate about making madi better, that it consumes me. After Drake, after the "play thereapist" they recommended, after using a homeopathic nurse, after meds, the best treatment that I have found works best for my daughter is good strong parenting. Keeping the reigns tight and being consistant with EVERYTHING in her life and positive reenforcement has really helped Madi. The minute we stray from that is when all hell breaks loose. Reading your postings got me fired up again and wanting to go after the Drake Institute. I just feel time wasted fighting them is time and energy I could have given to my daughter. Please spread the word about Drake Institute, we owe it to others.
Shonna, Metis et al., this is really scary stuff. I do remember when first researching ADHD that all these popup or sidebar ads about "Don't give your kids medications--treat ADHD the natural way" and stuff like that would show up, but I skipped them. Scary to think of a place like Drake that does such deliberate and calculuated marketing for a sca.[QUOTE=MightyMom]Hi All,
I am one of those "desperate" moms who lost nearly 00
to Drake institute with 0 results for my son. You know
what I just found out, this scam poster "mirnaee" also
has posted under testimonials in Drake website where she
talks about her daughter. Here she talks about her son!!
I bet she is paid to post randomly like this. She should
have at least had the sense to stick to the same gender
of her imaginary child!
Thanks,
MM[/QUOTE]
THAT IS TOO FUNNY!
PARENTS BEWARE, THE DRAKE INSTITUTE CAN CHANGE THE SEX OF YOUR CHILD. SO IF YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR CHILD THE ACTUAL SEX THEY ARE, DO NOT TAKE THEM TO DRAKE. THE REPERCUSSIONS CAN BE CATASTROPHIC!
LMAO
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THAT IS TOO FUNNY!
PARENTS BEWARE, THE DRAKE INSTITUTE CAN CHANGE THE SEX OF YOUR CHILD. SO IF YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR CHILD THE ACTUAL SEX THEY ARE, DO NOT TAKE THEM TO DRAKE. THE REPERCUSSIONS CAN BE CATASTROPHIC!
LMAO
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As a forum administrator, I find it interesting that you poke fun at the Drake but yet they are still allowed to advertise on this website. Your comment was funny because I can't stand the DRAKE and what they stand for, but the sad thing is some poor nieve family might turn in their life savings to get their child help at the DRAKE because they see the advertisment on YOUR website. It doesn't become so funny after that. Trust me, I have saved money for years for our three children and it was flushed down DRAKES toilet. That could put a parent over the edge if they weren't financially prepared to deal with the let down or that was the only money they had to their name. Maybe as a forum adminl. you have more pull about pulling the drake advertisment from the pop ups
shonna wrote: As a forum administrator, I find it interesting that you poke fun at the Drake but yet they are still allowed to advertise on this website
As a new member of this message board, I find it audacious of you to address the adminsitration in such a disrespectful way, especially since you are clueless about how the message board operates. Advertisers are NOT endorsed by ADHDNEWS. The advertisers pay a fee to the owner of the website to run their ads here. These ads have nothing to do with the adminstrator or moderator and and all the time we spend here is spent making sure this board is safe and that the members are informed and emotionally supported We do this on a voluntary basis. This is not a member operated board and this is information you have no need knowing about but I'm giving you the courtesy of explaining so that other members have the correct perception. Ogram is poking fun of the "scam poster" and had you took the time to read the rules of this message board stating that if you have questions for the adminsitration they should respectufully be addressed in a pm, not out on public display then perhaps there would be no need for me to waste my time here explaining things to you.
Clearly you have a distorted perception of the post and I highly recommend that in the future you spend your time speaking to lawyers about a class action law suit against Drake instead of coming to a support board to disrespect the adminstrator and cause confrontation . What is not allowed here is a lack of respect for the adminstration or members who were actually being supportive of your cause. Shame on you
Well, I was going to ignore this poster that is obviously p.o.ed, but I decided to say my part. If any of you are "old timers" here, you know what she is in for, if not, watch out she is in for it. lmao here it goes...
First off, Shonna,
But I would also suggest you not address me, especially publicly.
xxx never mind. your not worth it. i can tell you are too pissed off to take any thing I said in, so I deleted it. be mad and stew in it, when you decide to stop stewing, re-read this thread. Then you might laugh at it.
~ogram~39805.6684722222I agree. Taking advantage of concerned parents who want the best for their kids is criminal in my view. There should be a class action law suit. Drake does NOT work and is a complete waste of money I took a look at the Drake Institute's website, and their primary treatment appears to be neurofeedback. They provide other things as well, like parenting classes for behavior management, etc. There are studies that show neurofeedback reduces adhd symptoms, and some board members have reported good results. I have heard that it can take up to 20 sessions to see results. Maybe the institute needs to identify when someone will not benefit from further sessions sooner, and then be up front about it. Prolonging treatment when it is not working, and then recommending expensive testing to rule out other things does not appear to be the right course of action. At the very least, it leaves a trail of angry parents.